Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:32:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801101532.KAA19544@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: knowledge and belief X-To: jorge@INTERMEDIA.COM.AR X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan X-UIDL: 08e3c1c4e7ad675036f3d6eec75d8edb Status: OR X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2364 X-From-Space-Date: Mon Jan 12 15:48:55 1998 X-From-Space-Address: - >How does that follow? "Words usable for epistemology typically have >a du'u place" in no way implies "every word with a du'u place is >usable for epistemology", nor in particular "krici is suitable for >epistemology". But I'm not really against using it as an epistemology >as long as it is also used as an epistemology in the x2 of {jetnu}. It can be. BUT, I think that jetnu will generally be regarded as claiming that something is true by an epistemology such that the truth is generally recognized and not confined to a single person. Belief by one person does not generally serve as a general epistemolgy for truth, though presumably that person alone could claim jetnu for a truth he believ3ed in. But I would not claim something is jetnu based on YOUR belief that it is true, only on my own belief. >> By contrast, >>as Steven just pointed out, the "footnotes" beyond column 160 in effect >>say that epistemology places are generally filled with references to brivla >>with du'u places of which krici is one. > >What is meant there by "generally"? Certainly not customarily, since >customarily the place has been left unfilled. Indeed, it would be >interesting >to see if it has ever been filled in actual usage. Since it is a prescription rather than a description, it indicates intent rather than actual usage. All correct usages have the place filled - it just may not have been expressed - that is the nature of the language. >How does that follow? "Words usable for epistemology typically have >a du'u place" in no way implies "every word with a du'u place is >usable for epistemology" While I am sure there are exceptions (indeed probably djuno itself is an exception since it would be recursive to put djuno in its own x4) I think most places with du'u are indeed claims about truths or possible truths and thus could be epistemologies. Whetehr they are VALID ones remains to be argued. lojbab ---- lojbab lojbab@access.digex.net Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: ftp.access.digex.net /pub/access/lojbab or see Lojban WWW Server: href="http://xiron.pc.helsinki.fi/lojban/" Order _The Complete Lojban Language_ - see our Web pages or ask me.