Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:06:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801090706.CAA27711@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: knowledge and belief X-To: sbelknap@UIC.EDU X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan Status: O X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1370 X-From-Space-Date: Fri Jan 9 02:06:32 1998 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU >>If those don't work as epistemologies for {jetnu}, why should they work >>as epistemologies for {djuno}? > >Maybe they do. If the x4 place of can be , then I see >no reason that the x2 place of can't be But it is not >clear to me how differs from . krici has no x4 epistemology place - belief/faith without supporting evidence necessarily being available is itself a kind of epistemology. It is unclear to me whetehr we would want people to say that they krici something anytime they djuno it - i.e. that djuno always implies krici. It is certainly the case that krici only implies djuno if the x4 place is filled with an abstractiuon of krici. Djuno with unspecified x4 almost certainly implies a rather more evidential epistemology than belief, though I would not claim that it implies a form of "direct" knowledge (i.e. observation or ogical deduction). lojbab ---- lojbab lojbab@access.digex.net Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: ftp.access.digex.net /pub/access/lojbab or see Lojban WWW Server: href="http://xiron.pc.helsinki.fi/lojban/" Order _The Complete Lojban Language_ - see our Web pages or ask me.