Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 06:02:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801071102.GAA01577@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: Knowledge & Belief X-To: rzook@INFORMIX.COM X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 2115 X-From-Space-Date: Wed Jan 7 06:02:35 1998 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU >>My stab at interrupt would be something like setca tavla 'insert talk', >>but there may be a better candidate. > >I just was trying to get a close match to "break into the conversation" >which was what I literally meant. "Insert" seems more more emotionally >neutral than "break". Interupting has more emotional nuance to me since >it's usually considered a little rude. When writing in Lojban it is essential to forget the emotional and cultural nuances of the English keywords as much as possible. The Lojban words NEVER are intended to have the emotional connotations of their corresponding English words. >So how would I say something like that? What would you use to build >a tanru meaning "to break into a conversation"? If you mean to interject a single remark, i would agree with setca tavla - you are inserting something into the talk. Though perhaps it would be better expressed with tavla setca Talkingly-insert. I would also consider jmina tavla but this is ambiguous as to whether you are augmenting on prior discussion by you and/or others or adding yourself into the conversation. I think that using casnu (discuss) for conversation is more effective with either setca or jmina. An event of talking is not necessarily a conversation, but could be a monologue/speech. The words pertaining to interruption generally do have some connotation of being disruptive - dicra and zunti being the ones that come to mind You could validly assume that these WOULD be considered rude in many cultures, though if you put zabna on the front, the result is not rude, but more like putting a merciful end to a nonproductive or stultifying discussion. lojbab ---- lojbab lojbab@access.digex.net Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: ftp.access.digex.net /pub/access/lojbab or see Lojban WWW Server: href="http://xiron.pc.helsinki.fi/lojban/" Order _The Complete Lojban Language_ - see our Web pages or ask me.