Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:38:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801271638.LAA11111@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Robin Turner Sender: Lojban list From: Robin Turner Subject: knowledge X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan X-UIDL: 01a4957ff0222e6c44d630e4d6ccd27a X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-From-Space-Date: Wed Jan 28 09:36:23 1998 X-From-Space-Address: - Nice to be back after a long absence owing to my e-mail account getting accidentally closed by the university's computer centre. I was amazed to find everybody still beavering away at the djuno/krici question! >Thoight of another example for Jorge to tear apart. > >The following seems to me a good example of "know" with a subjective >truth, and it even is language based %^) > >John knows that in English it is improper to split an infinitive, but I >know that this is false. > >I believe that the main verb being "know" renders the meaning different >than using "opine" or even "consider" (whjoich in this case would usually >be interpreted to mean "opine"), because opining speaks to the impropriety, >whereas knowing speaks to it being a rule of propriety. My claim to it being >false speaks to my knowing that the rule is in fact often broken in >perfectly acceptable English speech. Perhaps, however, the first "know" is ironic in this case - when I imagine someone saying it I hear an intonation on the first "know" equivalent to quotation marks, but that could just be my imagination running loose. I agree that it's perfectly acceptable Enlish speech, but I would be somewhat surprised if I found it in, say, a journal article. > Robin Turner Bilkent Universitesi, IDMYO, Ankara, Turkey.