Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:18:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801210018.TAA27802@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: "Mark E. Shoulson" Sender: Lojban list From: "Mark E. Shoulson" Subject: Re: Summary so far on DJUNO X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan In-Reply-To: <199801201424.JAA03754@cs.columbia.edu> (message from And Rosta on Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:20:22 GMT+0) X-UIDL: 0bf33f8847586938cdd849be62a40963 Status: U X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1134 X-From-Space-Date: Wed Jan 21 09:49:35 1998 X-From-Space-Address: - >Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:20:22 GMT+0 >From: And Rosta >Organization: University of Central Lancashire > >I've had to skim some bits, and have resisted the powerful >temptation to reply to lots of contributions to the debate. >But here is an offered summary in the hope of moving things on. > >1. Jorge is completely correct about the meaning of "know", but > not everyone has managed to realize it. I'm pretty much with you on that, though here's an interesting counterexample I heard on TV just the other day and made a note of: Some scientist was saying, on a science program, "Consider the 1920's. Scientists knew -- they KNEW -- that universe was just the milky way galaxy." This is a use of perhaps another meaning of "know" in English, a slightly different one, more in line with Steve Belknap: to be completely convinced. Used for effect here, since it's being falsified. Or that line in Men In Black (drastically misquoted): A few centuries ago, everyone knew the world was flat. Fifteen minutes ago, you knew there were no aliens on Earth. Who knows what you'll know tomorrow? ~mark