Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 02:16:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801210716.CAA12271@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: Summary so far on DJUNO X-To: rzook@INFORMIX.COM X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan X-UIDL: 0cfa155a8429d57ee17602b8aec751b2 Status: U X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 818 X-From-Space-Date: Wed Jan 21 09:55:00 1998 X-From-Space-Address: - Rob Z.: >fatci seems to say that a fact refers to some kind of absolute >scale, and djuno seems to say that one can refer to fact relative >to some system of thought. > >fatci as defined seems totally useless to me. For many people fatci is totally useless. It is in the language for only one reason (based on the long-ago discussion with pc that brought in all this epistemology stuff). That reason is that, if jetnu has an epistemology plk placem there is no way to talk about such a thing as a fatci, which is independent of epistemology. Some people may choose to talk about same (especially certain kinds of philosophers, and maybe people arguing about the semantics of djuno %^) - after all, it seems that Jorge is attempting to claim that is a fatci). lojbab