Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:26:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801231526.KAA03224@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: And Rosta Sender: Lojban list From: And Rosta Organization: University of Central Lancashire Subject: Re: Summary so far on DJUNO X-To: LOJBAN@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan X-UIDL: e975c38150600758ccaa82342f16b2ae X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1000 X-From-Space-Date: Fri Jan 23 12:25:51 1998 X-From-Space-Address: - Rob Zook: > >Either way, this point is > >a refinement of my more general point, which is that DJUNO means > >"know" AND has a metaphysics place. > > I think we lose something here if we start using metaphysics and > epistemology interchangibly. The gismu list calls the x4 place > the epistemology. Pray, let us stick to that, things are confused > enough as it is. The point of calling it a metaphysics place is that we have established in this discussion that "epistemology" is a confusing label for the intended sumti meaning, and that "metaphysics" is clearer. > >We can then go on to discuss what *precisely* counts as knowledge, > >but it ceases to be a Lojban-specific issue (except to the extent > >that DJUNO involves knowledge). > > How about instead of seeking precision we seek agreement? The > argument about what knowledge "is", or rather what one should call > knowledge has been raging for centuries, and I rather doubt we'll > solve it here. This is pretty much my point. --And