Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 19:59:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801030059.TAA18464@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: spistemological justification X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan Status: OR X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1636 X-From-Space-Date: Fri Jan 2 19:59:12 1998 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU >> You could perhaps build a logical argument to justify >> you know what someone else knows, but in this case you >> provide none in your statement. >> >> I would guess one uses the "epistemology x4" place for >> a logical justification. > >I agree with you there, but I can't resist pointing out >that Lojban grammar allows us to leave sumti unspecified >when the speaker considers them either irrelevant or >pragmatically obvious. You can use ANY kind of justification, whether logical or illogical in x4 of djuno. My son knows Santa Claus exists by irrational justification, and he probably knows Santa Claus doesn't exist because his friends have told him that Santa Claus is really Papa. As a result of contradictory facts obtained by different epistemologies, he is probably not birti (certain) that Santa Claus exists. He may judge amongst those contradictory epistemologies to form a se jinvi opinion regarding the existence of Santa. Or he may at other times simply forgo analytical considetrations and simply krici that Santa Claus exists without attemtping to justify it via an epistemology. (in that sense nu krici itself can be an epistemology for the x4 of djuno). lojbab ---- lojbab lojbab@access.digex.net Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: ftp.access.digex.net /pub/access/lojbab or see Lojban WWW Server: href="http://xiron.pc.helsinki.fi/lojban/" Order _The Complete Lojban Language_ - see our Web pages or ask me.