Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:09:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802141509.KAA09002@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Goran Topic Sender: Lojban list From: Goran Topic Organization: Free Minds Discorporated Subject: Re: more epistemic perversity X-To: Lojban Listserver To: John Cowan X-UIDL: 0438a40c95d5cba1261677e7cac3e6fd X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 X-From-Space-Date: Tue Feb 17 10:16:06 1998 X-From-Space-Address: - Translation follows. > Now you can say that I am presupposing the truth x2, but I am not > presupposing it based on the x4 that I would state for the djuno > bridi about my son's knowledge, because that x4 cannot apply to me. > But I would rather not "presuppose" anything and just report someone else's > mental state as I understand it. .iku'i le ko'a menli tcini cu du'u ko'a krici ledu'u broda keikei gi'enai du'u ko'a broda .iseki'ubo mi kufra cusku lu mi djuno ledu'u ko'a krici ledu'u broda li'u .eji'a lu mi krici ledu'u ko'a broda li'u .enai lu mi djuno ledu'u broda li'u co'o mi'e. goran. But his mental state is not that something happened. That is a fact, either true or false. His mental state is his belief that it was so. Thus I can comfortably say that I know that he believes that something happened, even that I believe it did, but not that I know that something happened.