Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:45:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802232045.PAA12917@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Rick Nylander Sender: Lojban list From: Rick Nylander Subject: Re: properties and locations X-To: Lojban list To: John Cowan X-UIDL: 6a0d294bd380915dbd7cb5c8f8008594 X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 X-From-Space-Date: Mon Feb 23 15:31:56 1998 X-From-Space-Address: - Jorge: > le bitmu cu klama le ka blabi kei le ka xunre > The wall goes to being white from being red. What are the X4 and X5? Via what route, and what means of conveyance? > le bitmu cu jibni le ka blabi > The wall is close to being white. > le bitmu cu darno le ka blabi > The wall is far from being white. Both jibni and darno have X3 as property. In this case X3 is skari. > le bitmu cu jbini le ka blabi kei joi le ka xunre > The wall is between being white and being red. Hmm, I'm not sure. "x2 (a complete set, generally ordered)." An aside: If the wall is red, is it still jbini? (Is the set inclusive?) If not, how un-red does it have to be to become jbini? The more I think about this one, the more complicated it gets. > le bitmu cu zvati le ka blabi > The wall is at being white. The gi'uste seems pretty explicit that is an event/location. That definition in itself seems polysemous, but lojban seems to treat time and space nearly the same, so maybe not. In either case, color seems completely outside of the definition. > mi punji le bitmu le ka blabi > I put the wall at being white. How about: Mi punji le ka blabi kei le bitmu I put the quality white at locus - the wall. I think it's more consistent with the definition. Co'o mi'e rik