Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:33:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802151833.NAA25528@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: perversity squared X-To: cbogart@QUETZAL.COM X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan X-UIDL: 7fae98783a9b6276acceac082a98a9ce X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 X-From-Space-Date: Tue Feb 17 10:19:06 1998 X-From-Space-Address: - >I'd say, if the gismu place structures are to be set by usage, then we = >could assume that if something should be a place, it'll become a place, = >and if something gets added a lot with BAI, it should stay that way. I generally agree with you, but recognize that it is plausible that people might feel rule-bound enough not to drop the BAI until it is sanctioned by some reference. It would take serious analysis and maybe asking a few people why they used teh BAI all the time before one could conclude that indeed people have found a place metaphysically necessary to the concept that was not originally there. The standard will undoubtyedly be far higher for concluding that a place can be dropped, since many oblique places will be filled in rarely even when they are meaningful because they are evident form the context. lojbab