Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:09:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802141509.KAA08975@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Goran Topic Sender: Lojban list From: Goran Topic Organization: Free Minds Discorporated Subject: Re: Summary so far on DJUNO X-To: Lojban Listserver To: John Cowan X-UIDL: a5c54fcb1faa44f51335b27276fd4fb5 X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 X-From-Space-Date: Tue Feb 17 10:16:03 1998 X-From-Space-Address: - > >It is > >only if we consider "knowedge" to be different - an absolute that is > >independent of minds, > > Only in the same sense that truths are independent of minds. Umm, I don't think knowledge is independent of minds. It's just that for someone to utter the word 'know', *he* has to consider its object to be true. Otherwise it is his belief, or conviction, but I wouldn't call it knowledge. I can say "What I knew then was false and totally bogus. Now I know better.", but the sentence "What I know is false" sounds like a zen koan or a senseless mutter of a lunatic, or maybe a discordian's paradox; I can't accept that as a valid, meaningful sentence. (ni'ope'i na go'i .i fau lenu bacru zo djuno kei le ba'e bacru cu birti lese djuno gi'onai cuxna srera gi'ebo jai sarcu fai lenu bastygau zo birti .a zo kricu .a zo jinvi .i mi ka'e cusku lu le pu djuno be mi cu jitfa li'u .enai lu le ca djuno be mi cu jitfa lu .i ri na selsmu) co'o mi'e. goran.