Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:37:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802241837.NAA27002@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: And Rosta Sender: Lojban list From: And Rosta Organization: University of Central Lancashire Subject: Re: zo djuno ce zo jetyju'o X-To: LOJBAN@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan X-UIDL: 152eaab3ebfefbb4aff67d46f2668ff4 X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 X-From-Space-Date: Tue Feb 24 13:29:12 1998 X-From-Space-Address: - Bob: > We just have two competing definitions of {djuno}. One, which is > different from but akin to English "know", and which has been clearly > articulated, ... > > Yes, you did make what I consider a clear articulation in one > of your summaries, and to my way of understanding it ended up on > examination as being similar to what Lojbab proposed. This conclusion > is not what you intended, but is what I came to. I would have been delighted if you had tried and managed to persuade me and Lojbab of this. Knowing Lojbab, I can believe that it might turn out he shared my view all along but just hadn't realized what it was, but unfortunately there are no signs of this yet - or at least the odd spark of hope engendered by an occasional remark of Lojbab's keeps on getting brutally extinguished by the greatest part of what he says. > Hence, based on my experience of these discussions, I think we will > succeed just fine by interrogating our internal simulations of Lojbab, > and only occasionally raising matters for discussion. Anyone who has consulted their lojbabunculus and has succeeded in grocking the difference between birti, jinvi, krici, djuno, is warmly invited to enlighten me and any others who have failed to grock the meanings or even found Lojbab unsimulable. --And.