Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804162352.TAA21248@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jorge_J._Llamb=EDas?=" Sender: Lojban list From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jorge_J._Llamb=EDas?=" Subject: Re: Lojban ML: Syllogism and sophism X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan X-UIDL: c5812a40ed04761a4168ab5f54cf1e4c X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 Status: RO Content-Length: 1776 Lines: 52 >> Your {le ni ko'a sutra le nu broda >>cu cenba} is not more specifc about the scale, is it? > >Mine did not provide the units, but ni sutra is a speed/velocity and not >an acceleraion or other measurement. Let's say {broda} means "x1 changes its velocity". Isn't the amount of koha being fast in changing velocity something like acceleration? >> In English, >>we say that the length of an object is x meters. In Lojban, we >>simply relate the object with the number of meters. Same for all >>quantities. > >But the wording of the place structure of mitre etc. specifically indicates >thatthe x1 is being measured. Thius is not the wording of klani. The wording of {mitre} specifically indicates measurement. The wordings of {grake} and {snidu} do not. But I don't think that matters much. To me, it is enough that I can say: i la djan mitre li papibi John is 1.8 in meters. i la djan ki'ogra li bino John is 80 in kilograms. i la djan nanca li remu John is 25 in years. to generalize to any other quantity. For example: i la djan panzi klani li ci John is 3 in children type of quantity. i la djan gerku klani li re John is 2 in dog type of quantity. Or, when the scale is not so obvious, it can be made more explicit: i la djan klani li pasexa le ka litru lo ki'otre John is 176 in the kilometers travelled. I don't think we can have different rules for different quantities. If the x1 of mitre can be either "John" or "John's height", then both should be acceptable as the x1 of klani as well. You just have to make sure that the te klani is a scale appropriate for measuring whatever you put in x1. co'o mi'e xorxes