Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 19:16:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804050016.TAA24190@locke.ccil.org> Reply-To: Lionel Bonnetier Sender: Lojban list From: Lionel Bonnetier Subject: Re: Lojban ML: Syllogism and sophism X-To: Lojban ML To: John Cowan X-UIDL: 0fe51e7ca1541be21f658bfcf53ad840 X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 Status: RO Content-Length: 1148 Lines: 31 Xorxes wrote: > This is not so much a matter of logic but of understanding the > process involved. Logic alone can never tell you the relationship > between {cirla zenba} and {kevna zenba}. That's right. I was trying to reach the most concise and complete physical description of the linguistic contradiction. Something like a common-sense AI description mandatorily telling apart a whole thing from its components, and an absolute quantity change from a relative one. cheese.whole.quant.abs.up -> cheese.holes.quant.abs.up cheese.holes.quant.rel.up -> cheese.matter.quant.rel.down Natural languages don't provide any short expression for such precisions, not necessarily because they are obvious, but mostly because they are fuzzily understood, which makes language manipulations so easy. > I'm not sure what you mean by {cirla zenba kevna}, a cheese > increasing type of hole? But in any case, there is no explicit logic > there. Oops, it should be {cirla cu zenba kevna}. I've made idiomatic English constructions in all those sentences. Thanks for your replies. Lionel Lionel Bonnetier Ph: +33 478 601 862