Received: from spooler by stryx.demon.co.uk (Mercury/32 v2.01); 17 May 98 23:15:55 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-20.mail.demon.net (194.217.242.14) by stryx.demon.co.uk (Mercury/32 v2.01); 17 May 98 23:15:53 +0000 Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ia@stryx.demon.co.uk id 895322677:05:27482:1; Sat, 16 May 98 12:44:37 GMT Received: from listserv.cuny.edu ([128.228.100.10]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1206245; 16 May 98 12:44 GMT Received: from listserv (listserv.cuny.edu) by listserv.cuny.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <3.FF9C3D7E@listserv.cuny.edu>; Sat, 16 May 1998 8:46:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 08:43:18 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: properties again X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Multiple recipients of list LOJBAN Message-ID: <895322674.126245.0@listserv.cuny.edu> X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 7 Content-Length: 766 Lines: 20 Jorge: >{le ka ruble} is the property of weakness, not an instance of weakness. >I don't think the property can be a cause of anything. Whereas I think that quite often properties bytheir nature cause consequences. Gravitational force is caused by the property of matter in my mind and not by events of matter (each being properly instantiated). But I am sure you disagree, and we probably will not get anywhere new by arguing it. lojbab