Received: from spooler by stryx.demon.co.uk (Mercury/32 v2.01); 28 Jul 98 20:53:04 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net (194.217.242.34) by stryx.demon.co.uk (Mercury/32 v2.01); 28 Jul 98 20:53:01 +0000 Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ia@stryx.demon.co.uk id 901626197:10:19723:0; Tue, 28 Jul 98 11:43:17 GMT Received: from listserv.cuny.edu ([128.228.100.10]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019433; 28 Jul 98 11:42 GMT Received: from listserv (listserv.cuny.edu) by listserv.cuny.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <1.FE9948DF@listserv.cuny.edu>; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 7:43:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 23:42:38 +1200 Reply-To: Chris Double Sender: Lojban list From: Chris Double Subject: Re: Anyone on this list? X-To: lojban list To: Multiple recipients of list LOJBAN Message-ID: <901626155.1019433.0@listserv.cuny.edu> X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 1 Y05E4C.CNM Content-Length: 2620 Lines: 58 la stiu'art. cusku di'e >Is anyone active on this list. i am new to lojban and am about to >embark upon learning the language. Any help, support or contacts would >be greatly appreciated. Anyone else in the UK out there?? Yep, the list is active. Traffic tends to be quite low though. I'm pretty new to the language myself and am trying to learn it also. I can recommend getting the reference grammar 'The Complete Lojban Language'. It's well worth the money and makes it much easier than reading the text online. The book is excellent quality as well. I've found the Logflash tools available at the ftp site very useful as well. If you can run MSDOS programs they are worth getting - especially the gismu tester. There have been some good threads on how to use these programs effectively and you may be able to find these on the mailing list archives. Learning as many of the the gismu and some of the more commonly used cmavo have been the keys for me being able to understand at least some of the lojban conversations that are made on this list. Chatting via IRC during logfest was fun too - if you are interested in IRC chat to discuss/use the language then let me know. There are two sound files available at: ftp://xiron.pc.helsinki.fi/pub/lojban/lojcons.wav ftp://xiron.pc.helsinki.fi/pub/lojban/lisri.wav There are also gzipped versions available which you may prefer: ftp://xiron.pc.helsinki.fi/pub/lojban/lojcons.wav.gz ftp://xiron.pc.helsinki.fi/pub/lojban/lisri.wav.gz These are portions of an audio tape and are people speaking lojban. The text they are speaking appears to be taken from the draft of the lojban textbook available from the ftp site. That may help with some of the pronunciation....although I still can't get my poor english speaking self to get the 'x' consonant!! What else....oh yeah - don't give up if the going seems tough...I had lots of difficulty learning it at first then I starting actually trying to write lojban each day and thinking to myself during the day 'how would I have stated this in lojban' and it all started to click. Alas I'm not in the UK - I'm in New Zealand - but keen to learn and share lojban with my more distant (in terms of location) friends :) co'o mi'e kris. -- chris@cnd.co.nz icq 8600051