Date:         Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:11:07 -0300
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From:         "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jorge_J._Llamb=EDas?=" <jorge@INTERMEDIA.COM.AR>
Subject:      Re: Beginners' lujvo
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>> >vanjikru
>> "brandy"   x1 is a quantity of brandy distilled from wine/fermented
>>                   fruits/grapes x2.
>>
>> >kujmikce
>> "nurse"   x1 nurses x2 for ailment x3 with treatment/cure x4
>
>Yes, these are what I had in mind, though I must admit I found the
>explanation of the place structure confusing!

Let me try again.

The idea is first to expand the lujvo into its components:
    vanjikru -> jikru be lo vanju
    kujmikce -> kurji gi'e mikce

Then the place structure of the lujvo is formed simply by all the
places of the components that are left unfilled:

 ko'a jikru lo vanju be ko'e  ->  ko'a vanjikru ko'e
 ko'a kurji ko'e gi'e mikce ko'e ko'i ko'o  -> ko'a kujmikce ko'e ko'i ko'o

In the second case, some of the places of the components
overlap: the x2 of kurji (the person taken care of) is the same
as the x2 of mikce (the patient). But there is no rule to force
this interpretation. {kujmikce} might also mean, for example,
{mikce be lo kurji}: a doctor for caregivers. I just picked the
one that seemed to me to be most likely. In other cases the
choice might be less obvious.

>> >sakcuvbi'o
>Actually, I was thinking of "vacuum cleaner".  Oh well!

One possibility would be {sakmi'i}: {minji be le nu sakci}.

The place structure would be: {ko'a minji le nu ko'a sakci ko'e ko'i}
"x1 is a machine for sucking x2 from x3".

>le nu do pu sidju ve ckire
>
>co'o mi'e robin.

i mi gleki le nu mi pu sidju

co'o mi'e xorxes