Received: from spooler by stryx.demon.co.uk (Mercury/32 v2.01); 5 Oct 98 00:13:48 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net (194.217.242.34) by stryx.demon.co.uk (Mercury/32 v2.01); 5 Oct 98 00:13:47 +0000 Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ia@stryx.demon.co.uk id 907431969:10:08924:6; Sat, 03 Oct 98 16:26:09 GMT Received: from listserv.cuny.edu ([128.228.100.10]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106258; 3 Oct 98 16:25 GMT Received: from listserv (listserv.cuny.edu) by listserv.cuny.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.FFFB98EC@listserv.cuny.edu>; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 12:27:17 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 12:22:32 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: alternative Web pages X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Multiple recipients of list LOJBAN Message-ID: <907431941.116258.0@listserv.cuny.edu> X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 7 1 Y07804.CNM Content-Length: 3769 Lines: 63 Let me make clear that I encourage any and all people who want to develop their own Lojban pages as alternatives to Veijo's pages. We are in no sense either proprietary about eityher the language or the methodologies of promoting it. I think I may have come across as being a bit too negative in repsonse to recent posters. I DO want to see the language promoted. But I cannot do more than I am already doing myself, and too often, people's suggestions seem like a lot more work for me, without necessarily being worth it (to me, and in terms of my priorities in leading the effort as set by the LogFest-attending membership). Progress in recent years has seemed very slow, partly because I have had less time to give the project (and more time seems to be sent merely in keeping up with my email), and partly because the main projects we have been working on are slow movers that require hundreds or thousands of person-hours in order to get completed. It is thus hard to report progress, when we don't see much progress ourselves. Also, to clarify one thing I wrote last time: my obligation to paid subscribers. LLG was founded before we had Internet access, and the community that started LLG is not, to my knowledge, primarily oriented towards computers and the Internet. For years the organization was sustained by our printed newsletter le lojbo karni and our journal Ju'i Lobypli. We had to suspend publication in 1993-4 of both of these until I got some of the book publishing done. Since then, we have gotten a book out, and people on Lojban List have been kept informed. But people without Internet access have not yet even been told that the book has been puiblished, much less had a chance to buy it and become active in the community. These people, especially the 120-odd prepaid JL subscribers, are owed an enormous debt by the LOjban community as a whole, both for their financial support (we owe them somewhere between $3000 and $6000 in subscription and account balances, which money went to finance the book publication) and their emotional support, without whioch there would be no Lojban. At some time in the near future, I need to return my attention to these people, who have been ignored for too long. People on the Internet will have to be content with what I have been providing, and my focus will remain primarily on supporting those actively interested enough to be on Lojban Lis, since answerring email is one thing I can do without taking on additional work. Thus when I talk about focussing on paid subscribers, I am NOT denigrating the contribution of people who have not paid us money (though a shortage of money remains our worst problem, and my biggest distraction from productive work), but on my unmet obligations to those who have paid money and NOT gotten what theyt have paid for -neither journals that they have subscrinbed to nor the language that they have paid the development costs of. lojbab ---- lojbab lojbab@access.digex.net Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: ftp.access.digex.net /pub/access/lojbab or see Lojban WWW Server: href="http://xiron.pc.helsinki.fi/lojban/" Order _The Complete Lojban Language_ - see our Web pages or ask me.