Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 09:07:05 -0300
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From: Gustavo Eulalio <guga@cgnet.com.br>
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From: Gustavo Eulalio <guga@cgnet.com.br>

On: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 09:42:39 -0500 (EST)
Logical Language Group wrote:
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> Seeing Robin's answer, I think I understand the question better.
> The reference grammar wording is better than the suggested alternative,
> and there is indeed a difference.
> 
> In the "lei" example there is a set with 3 members that is being
> massified.  The set is identified by having its elements described as dogs.
> There is no indication that the set is a complete set of all things that
> the speaker describes as dogs.  Likewise for le'i, the set may not include
> all that the speaker would so describe.
> 
> A complete wording would then be
> 
> a set/mass (as appropriate) I have in mind whose members/components I
> describe as

	I guess you didn't get it yet, Bob. Your wording contradicts the
book's one. Maybe I can explain my doubt better with an example.
	If I say "lei prenu", will I be calling the mass "the persons"
or "the crowd"? If I have understood it correctly, it is "the crowd",
and "lei" will then mean "... a mass of those I describe as... ", or, as
you say, "... a mass whose components I describe as ..."

	co'o mi'e guctav.
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