Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:22:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Logical Language Group <lojbab@access.digex.net>
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From: Logical Language Group <lojbab@access.digex.net>

OK.  After having done some ISP shopping I have a better idea of the
tradeoffs, and some of the things I was worried about are apparently not
an issue.  Thanks to those who have responded, in any event.

The choices reduce to basically two.  I can get an account similar to
what I've had at Digex, which will run between $45-$50/mo including the
Lojban master archive ftp/web site (there does not seem to be a premium
on FTP as I had thought).  Or I can get an LLG corporate account, which
will allow us up to 50 Meg with no additional disk charges.  This would
run around $70/mo.  The cheaper account would cost us around $70/mo also
if we used 50 Meg of Web space, but would have much lower limits on
usage of the Web site before triggering bandwidth charges, not that the
Lojban site is being heavily accessed.  Also, for the corporate account,
they will waive the setup charges to get lojban.org, although we will
need to pay the Internic charge of $35/year.  It is not clear whether
the "personal access account" would be able to use the org address, or
whether there would be a setup charge if they could.  I suspect that it
would NOT be usable for "personal" Web space.

The big question is whether we have enough additional stuff to justify
using 50 Meg for our Web site, and whether making this stuff available
for free is worth around $300/year.  The secondary question is whether
we need (as opposed to want) the lojban.org attached to the site
(reserving it but not yet using it is also an option).

We could also consider going the other direction.  Let Veijo and other
net sites currently mirroring our site maintain the complete Lojban List
archive (the largest part of the disk space) while we maintain only a
few recent months on the master site (though Cowan and I would retain
our own copies of the archive off net so that they could be restored at
some future time).  This would reduce the Web space and save money, or
allow us to add new material without paying more.

Finally, we could reduce the need for a comprehensive Web site by
cutting a CD-ROM with the contents of the Web archive and perhaps some
other stuff.  This would again allow us to reduce what is on line, and
also maybe make some money so that we can publish another book sooner.
We had planned to do this eventually, but figured it would be better to
wait until books were done, so that more useful stuff could be included
on the disk.

I have no idea what would be an appropriate price for such a CDROM so
I'll take suggestions from anyone favoring such an option as to what
they would consider reasonable to pay for it.

The bottom line is around $300-$400 per year in charges, which is
another 10-15 books sold in order to cover our overhead each year before
paying off printing costs.


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lojbab                                                lojbab@access.digex.net
Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc.
2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA                        703-385-0273
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    or see Lojban WWW Server: href="http://xiron.pc.helsinki.fi/lojban/"
    Order _The Complete Lojban Language_ - see our Web pages or ask me.

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