Received: from spooler by stryx.demon.co.uk (Mercury/32 v2.01); 27 Nov 98 22:24:17 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net (194.217.242.34) by stryx.demon.co.uk (Mercury/32 v2.01); 27 Nov 98 22:24:15 +0000 Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ia@stryx.demon.co.uk id 912179353:10:02198:1; Fri, 27 Nov 98 15:09:13 GMT Received: from listserv.cuny.edu ([128.228.100.10]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114379; 27 Nov 98 15:09 GMT Received: from listserv (listserv.cuny.edu) by listserv.cuny.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <2.000BAF63@listserv.cuny.edu>; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 10:11:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 09:08:56 -0600 Reply-To: Minots Sender: Lojban list From: Minots Subject: zo go'i X-To: jbomriste To: Multiple recipients of list LOJBAN Message-ID: <912179343.1114379.0@listserv.cuny.edu> X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 1 Y03D6F.CNM Content-Length: 1411 Lines: 40 coi rodo I read the following passage in a book: "You are not lying to me now, I do not think," he said at last. "No, I am not lying to you now," Nieh agreed. Considering how this might be expressed in Lojban led me to thinking about the concept of the word "go'i." My first thought was: i sei ko'e cusku ba la denpa se'u ia do na'e ca ticysku mi .i sei ko'a tugni cusku se'u go'i But: as do'i repeats the previous sentence, would this be the same as: i sei ko'e cusku ba la denpa se'u do na'e ca ticysku mi .i sei ko'a tugni cusku se'u do na'e ca ticysku mi Reminds me of kindergarten bickering -- "You're stupid!" "Right, you're stupid." If it's like this, then the use of go'i would be pretty limited. Am I correct in thinking that go'i, here, would express the event of {Nieh Ho-T'ing lies to Su Shun-Ch'in now}, no matter who is speaking it? Therefore, the first sentence would actually be equivalent to: i sei ko'e cusku ba la denpa se'u do na'e ca ticysku mi .i sei ko'a tugni cusku se'u mi na'e ca ticysku do Is my reasoning correct here? co'o be'i la djan. maynat.