Received: from spooler by stryx.demon.co.uk (Mercury/32 v2.01); 1 Dec 98 22:24:30 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net (194.217.242.6) by stryx.demon.co.uk (Mercury/32 v2.01); 1 Dec 98 22:24:21 +0000 Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ia@stryx.demon.co.uk id 912522668:20:04163:0; Tue, 01 Dec 98 14:31:08 GMT Received: from pop.onelist.com ([209.207.164.31]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103523; 1 Dec 98 14:30 GMT Received: (qmail 27994 invoked by alias); 1 Dec 1998 14:24:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 27501 invoked from network); 1 Dec 1998 14:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO firat.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr) (139.179.10.13) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 1998 14:23:46 -0000 Received: from bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (engun11.fen.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.97.145] (may be forged)) by firat.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06334 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:27:31 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3663FBBF.EE894E5E@bcc.bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 16:22:56 +0200 From: Robin Turner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: Lojban list References: Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [lojban] Re: X-files X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 7 1 Y05346.CNM Content-Length: 1317 Lines: 36 From: Robin Turner PILCH Hartmut wrote: > > Probably both the German sounds in "ich" and "ach" would work. I am not sure > > that either of them is described with a different symbol from /x/. > > these are contextual allophones: the palatalized one after front (e i \"a > \"o \"u) vowels, as in "ich", the non-palatalized one after back (a o u) > vowels, as in "Bach". > > In Modern Greek it works the opposite way: palatalized *before* front > vowels (as in "oxi" for "no"), non-palatalized *before* back vowels (as > in "mixaniki" for "mechanics"). > > For a conlang, one of these two distributions would have to be chosen. > I'd prefer to avoid the choice and use only a non-palatalized x. > I would have thought that we could just as easily leave it up to the speaker. I palatalise all the time, simply because I prefer the sound. co'o mi'e robin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com