Received: from spooler by stryx.demon.co.uk (Mercury/32 v2.01); 4 Dec 98 22:42:16 +0000 Return-path: Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net (194.217.242.6) by stryx.demon.co.uk (Mercury/32 v2.01); 4 Dec 98 22:42:11 +0000 Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ia@stryx.demon.co.uk id 912809499:20:19564:5; Fri, 04 Dec 98 22:11:39 GMT Received: from pop.onelist.com ([209.207.164.159]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114231; 4 Dec 98 22:11 GMT Received: (qmail 30044 invoked by alias); 4 Dec 1998 22:14:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 29965 invoked from network); 4 Dec 1998 22:14:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO inca.cgnet.com.br) (200.241.195.17) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 1998 22:14:17 -0000 Received: from inca.cgnet.com.br (d208.cgnet.com.br [200.241.195.72]) by inca.cgnet.com.br (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA14902 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:13:38 -0300 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:13:38 -0300 Message-Id: <199812042213.TAA14902@inca.cgnet.com.br> From: Gustavo Eulalio To: Lojban Mailing List In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981204204034.0091cb90@viriato.viatecla.pt> References: <3.0.5.32.19981203181445.00935430@viriato.viatecla.pt> <3.0.5.32.19981204204034.0091cb90@viriato.viatecla.pt> X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.24 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [lojban] Re: Intro X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 7 1 Y023EB.CNM Content-Length: 2931 Lines: 81 From: Gustavo Eulalio coi rodo I hope everybody here forgive me for writing the rest of this e-mail in Portugese, but, as the question begs a Portugese knowledge, I think it would be more logical (and easier to the interested ones). Oi Andria, Sou brasileiro, e comecei a estudar Lojban h algum tempo (no muito), e ainda tenho certa dificuldade. Talvez possamos estudar juntos. uma satisfao t-la aqui, conosco. On: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 20:40:34 +0000 Andreia Gaita wrote: =---------=---------=---------=---------= > Anyway, one of the problems I'm having is figuring out how to speak. The > sound descriptions for the letters are fine, but they are for an english > audience, and portuguese sounds are completely different. > For example, the 'x' in portuguese has the same sound as the 'sh' in > 'shock'. The vowels in portuguese are all open. And how does one say the '? > With an english 'h'? Or can it be anything? > Oh, yes, and the 'd'? In portuguese the 'd' has the same sound as in > "don't". Is it the same? Primeiro, vou explicar a diagramao que vou usar: [letra de Lojban] -- som equivalente no portugus Vamos l. Primeiro, as vogais: [a] -- a [e] -- , [i] -- i [o] -- , [u] -- u Agora, as consoantes: ['] -- h (do ingls) [.] -- no h este som no portugus. um "cliquezinho" que voc faz no fundo da garganta. No sei se a gramtica explica assim, mas (como vi explicado em outros lugares) dizem que o som que se faz no "oh-oh". [b, d, f, j, k, l, m, n, p, t, v, z] -- pronunciam-se exatamente como suas equivalentes no portugus. [c] -- x, ch [g] -- sempre o som forte, como em "gato", nunca como em "gia". [r] -- r, rr (tremido -- nunca como o H do ingls, como se pronuncia no Brasil), ou o R do ingls. [s] -- ss [x] -- j (do espanhol), ch (do alemo), no h som correspondente no portugus. [y] -- (breve) -- no tenho certeza -- o som que, nos guias de pronncias de dicionrios portugus-ingls escreve-se como um "e" de cabea pra baixo e virado pra trs. Espero ter ajudado. Abraos. co'o mi'e guctav. -- ________ Gustavo Eulalio (g.eu@i.am) | ______| Homepage: http://i.am/g.eu/ | | ____ .-------------------------------. | | |__ | | "Minha lngua minha Ptria" | | | __| | | Fernando Pessoa | |_| |____| |_______________________________| /"\ \ / CAMPANHA DA FITA ASCII - CONTRA MAIL HTML X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com