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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 15:27:03 +0300
From: Robin Turner <robin@bilkent.edu.tr>
Subject: Re: pamoi xatra
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la xorxes. cusku di'e

>
> For learning in the sense of "becoming skilled at", I would
> use {crebi'o} = "x1 becomes skilled at x2", so:
>
>             mi crebi'o le nu tavla bau la lojban
>             I am learning to speak in Lojban.
>
>             mi crebi'o le nu jitro le relselxi'u
>             I learn to ride a bicycle.

And this kind of thing is where tenses and event contours can come in handy
(although in general I keep them to a minimum).  What a lot of people want to
say is things like

I've just started learning (to express things in) Lojban
mi puza co'a crebi'o lenu mi cusku bau la lojban.

la vanDAM. puzu mo'u crebi'o dabyjvikei
Van Damme mastered martial arts a long time ago.

Some people may find event contours a bit tedious, but if we didn't have them,
we'd probably need Aktionsarten (action types) which is a real pain.


co'o mi'e robin.

P.S.  "Serious" martial artists may object to the lujvo {dabyjvikei}
(fight-play-compete), but it seems a good way to describe (kick)boxing, karate
etc. as sports.  You'd need a different lujvo for martial arts as a way of
promoting mental and physical health and self-defense - maybe sezfavda'a
(self-development fighting).