From xod@bway.net Sat Aug 14 13:49:17 1999 X-Digest-Num: 211 Message-ID: <44114.211.1125.959273824@eGroups.com> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 16:49:17 -0400 (EDT) From: xod Subject: Re: lei skami tanru pe ma'a X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 1125 Question: is a programmer is le platu, le zbasu, or le finti? I think a software designer/architect is le finti or le platu, and an implementer is le zbasu. On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, Jorge Llambias wrote: > From: "Jorge Llambias" > > > la xod cusku di'e > > >But samselpla could refer to design for the motherboard, or a CAD design > >for something unspecified > > True, although the times I've seen it used it was > clear from context what it was meant. It is probably > impossible to give a complete and precise definition > with a simple lujvo. The context of all these tanru is skami, but all those different definitions above are associated with skami. If the alternate interpretations do not fall under skami, we can safely ignore them. If they do, however, we have to further specify. > >terjudri is a good concept, but on some technical levels, there is more to > >the internet or tcp/ip than a collection of addresses or sites. > > But do we need to have all that there is to it specified > within the lujvo? The best _technical_ name for the > Internet is probably {la internet}, which has also been > used quite a lot already, and of course has no descriptional > content whatsoever in Lojban. If these tanru are going to used in a computer manual or in program code, these differences do count. > > > > > Software: tolmarji skami (what's the word for > > > >"aspect"?) > > > > > > {pagbu}? {tcila}? > > > >Neither of these quite grasp the concept for me. Maybe su'u pagbu? > >Does the scope of su'u have to be marked by fu'e/fu'o? Help! > > {su'u} works just like {nu}, it belongs to the same selmaho. > I'm not sure it helps here, but I don't really understand > what it means. > > Why not just {pagbu}? What would be the difference > between the immaterial part of a computer and the > immaterial aspect of a computer? > In this case, pagbu is probably sufficient. Do you think that pagbu can always represent "aspect"? > >How about selsmuni? > > I don't know. Anything with meaning is a selsmuni. > Are you saying that {skami} has two meanings (or > senses), the material sense and the immaterial sense, > so that software is a full skami in one sense > and hardware is a full skami in another sense? > Or are you saying that software and hardware are > two components of a full skami? > You're right; they are pagbu and not selsmuni. skami must mean hardware + software. hardware = marji skami pagbu, or marji pagbu be skami software = mucti skami pagbu > > > > content: selcusku > > > > hypertext: to'e linji selcusku > > > > > > Maybe. What is the opposite of a line for connecting > > > some set of points? Another possibility could be > > > something like {vrici terjo'e selcusku}. > > > >I don't understand this. > > "Variously connected text"? I just can't visualize > the kind of connections present in hypertext as the opposite > of a line, that's all. Maybe just {na'e linji}? I was trying to convey "nonlinear", which is how the text flows. hypertext = na'e linji selcusku? By the way, Multimedia = vrici selcusku not vrici velcusku, right? > > > > WWW: selcusku nirna > > > >vrici velcusku selnirna? > > VVV: vrici velcusku vasru ? > > > > I like the Esperanto translation of WWW, > > > which is TTT. (Standing for Tut-Tera Teksajxo.) > > > >What does Tut-Tera Teksajxo mean? > > Whole-Earth Web. Almost a word for word translation, > but what I like about it is that it keeps the three > equal letters silliness. > > >Data: 5 > >Information, data in context: "5 is the square root of 25" > >Knowledge, info in context: the skill of finding square roots > > Then {datni} sounds more like information, if you look > at its x2 and x3 places. Maybe something using {selci} > for data? One option is to assume that the writers of the gismu list didn't quite understand the subtle difference between data and information/facts, and that datni really means data. Who is the "authority" on such issues? Or we could use data = datni selci > > >Upon reflection perhaps these are sufficient: data = lei datni, > >information = lei fatci, knowledge = lei smuni > > Probably you'd want all words with the same place > structure if they're supposed to contrast with > each other. > > >Does selklesi mean superset? > > > >We have to distinguish between sets and meta, and membership. > > Yes, {klesi} is for subsets and supersets, and {cmima} for > membership. I had never heard of "meta" in the context of > set theory. > > >A is a superset of B: HTML 1.0 is a superset of HTML 2.0 (you get the idea) > > I would have thought HTML 2.0 would be the superset! Yup - my typo! > > >A is a member of B: HTML is a member of the set of markup languages > >A is meta to B: XML is meta to HTML > > I'm not familiar with markup languages. What does it mean > that A is meta to B? > XML describes HTML; a specification for HTML can be written using XML. In any case, meta is not membership or subsetness, so it must get its own brivla. ----- ...about one pound of coal to create, package, store, and move two megabytes of data.