From robin@bilkent.edu.tr Mon Sep 27 01:58:52 1999 X-Digest-Num: 245 Message-ID: <44114.245.1346.959273825@eGroups.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:58:52 +0300 From: Robin Turner Subject: Is anyone else getting this kind of message? X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 1346 This is a reminder that the e-mail account which you have contacted no longer exists. To protect confidentiality, the message you sent has been deleted unread. If your message was related to the work of the Northern and Yorkshire Cancer Registry & Information Service, please re-send it to m.hood@ulth.northy.nhs.uk If it was a personal message, please re-send it to andrew.smith20@virgin.net This reminder notice will be deleted on 1/1/2000 >>> robin 09/27/99 09:01 >>> From: Robin Turner la pityr. cusku di'e > I would guess from the fact that tense markers are possible between "lo" > and its selbri indicates that the meaning of "lo P" without any tense > marker on P has the same tense connotations as "da cu P", i.e. the tense > under which P is true is simply unspecified. > > So AFAICT, "lo P cu Q" means exactly the same as "lo Q cu P"; > both mean "some X, Tense1, Tense2: P(X, Tense1) & Q(X, Tense2)". .ieru'e In classical semantic terms, this holds: lo gerku cu barda = at least one thing which is a dog, is big lo barda cu gerku = at least one thing which is big, is a dog But in terms of pragmatics (or cognitive semantics) there is a difference, at least in English. "Big dog" is not the intersection of the set of big things and the set of dogs, but a dog which is big _by the standard of dogs_. Similarly a small galaxy is not a small thing. How Lojban handles this, I'm not sure. We can assume that lo gerku cu barda is implicitly lo gerku cu barda fi lo'i gerku but to read lo barda cu gerku as lo barda be fi lo'i gerku cu gerku takes a bit more imagination. co'o mi'e robin. To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com