X-Digest-Num: 238 Message-ID: <44114.238.1304.959273825@eGroups.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:19:05 +0300 From: Robin Turner Subject: abstracting from cmene X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 1304 Content-Length: 766 Lines: 21 coi rodo I've just been writing a piece in my web-diary in which I (not terribly seriously) try to explain my near-religious devotion to Juliette Binoche in semiotic terms. The basic idea is of a Peircean Icon (e.g. an image of JB) sparking off "unlimited semiosis", or of the same thing being a "connotative sign" a la Barthes. I started thinking about the question in Lojbanic terms and ran up against the problem that I can't, if I understand the Book correctly, say {la ka biNOC.}, since the word immediately following {la} has to be a cmene, so it would be read as a reference to someone called "Cabinoche". Is there a simple way to say "Binocheness" other than {tu'a la biNOC.}, which is too vague for what I had in mind? co'o mi'e robin.