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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 15:10:27 -0700 (MST)
From: reciproc@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Subject: Re: lojban relationship words....
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>  > > mi pendo le mi glependo - "my fuckbuddy is my friend."
>  > > mi pamypendo - "I have a loving friend." (or more than one - not
>  > >                specific)
> 
>  > More accurately, "I'm my fuckbuddy's friend",
> 
> Yep - I translated it to more idiomatic English - maybe I should have
> used: 
> 
> le mi glependo cu pendo mi
> mi se pendo le mi glependo
> 
> which, come to think of it, are almost tautologies (switching to "lo"
> and they would be). But would I describe someone as "le pendo goi ko'a"
> if it wasn't the case that "ko'a pendo mi"?

>  > not that it particularly makes a difference in most contexts--but
>  > "pendo" could theoretically also cover someone acting like your friend 
>  > even though you hate their guts.
> 
> So question: If each lojban gismu has only one definition, which is
> the definition for "pendo"?
> 
> x1 is a friend to x2
> 
> or 
> 
> x1 acts like a friend to x2
> 
> The def I have in front of me says
> 
> x1 is|acts like a friend to x2
> 
> but it seems to me to be covering two distinctly different truth
> statements - one is about a property (being a friend) while the other
> is about behavior (acting like a friend, whether you are or not).  Or
> is pendo inclusive? With abstraction allowing for more specificity?
> Like "ka pendo" for the "is" version?

Good question. It would seem to me that "acts like a friend" ought to be a
tanru...

>  > > ko malype'o mi - Fuck me, dammit
>  > > ko malypendo mi - [same]
>  > Not malgletu?
> 
> D'oh!
> 
>  > no'i Both of those would be better expressed using attitudinals, e.g.
>  > 
>  > le'o ro'u ko gletu mi
>  > [aggresive] [sexual] Fuck me!
> 
> But I see that as the speaker being aggressive, whereas "Fuck me!" (in 
> a sexual situation) is usually construed as a more submissive request
> - demanding that something obscene be done to the speaker.

Okay, I see. The "dammit" threw me off a bit.

> And this
> version doesn't have the "dirtiness" of "malgletu" - "gletu" is more
> neutral, e.g., "copulate".  It isn't necessarily "dirty talk."

.i'a

> 
>  > or
>  > 
>  > .o'onai ko .ionai gletu mi
>  > [anger] [you-imperative] [disrespect] fuck me
>  > Fuck me, you whore!
> 
> Yes, but again, it could also mean:
> 
> Argh! You trash, copulate with me.
> 
> or more "idiomatically":
> Argh! Have sex with me, you trash!
> 
> I think .ionairo'u would be more of the sense of "whore," or maybe
> "slut" or "dick," or somesuch (but no particular gender bias anywhere
> - a nice change).

Swearing in Lojban is so much *fun* :)!
In any case, I didn't intend to particularly signify "whore" with
".ionai", it's just that it seemed like a better translation, what with
the context.


	co'omi'e xarmuj.