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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:18:03 EST
From: Pycyn@aol.com
Subject: Re: gasnu
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I don't see John made me hit him as involving subject raising, insofar as I 
remember place strictures: does the motivator have to be an event?  To be 
sure, we assume that he did this motivating by doing something, but that need 
not be implicit in this claim.   In particular, I don't think the kind of 
logical problems are going to arise for which subject raising is the first 
line of defense.  I even think that rinka is possible here, when something 
stronger than motivation is called for: coercion of various sorts, say 
(and/or some compound of bapli).  But I think we should avoid using gasnu as 
much as possible, since it is too likely to be overgeneralized -- mal just 
about any language, let alone English.  JCB overworked his "makes-out of 
material-" for all the agent causatives, and I am not sure that Institute 
Loglan has ever gotten the causal area straightened out from that.
pc