X-Digest-Num: 281 Message-ID: <44114.281.1569.959273825@eGroups.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:36:53 EST From: Pycyn@aol.com Subject: Re: gasnu X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 1569 Content-Length: 706 Lines: 15 I think that Lojban (following Loglan in this as so much else) follows -- in a minor way -- the English (etc.) habit of splitting up event descriptions into agent and action: English for - to constructions for example, making the agent appear as a separate argument. This pattern preceded the subject-raising grammar Lojban now has (I am not sure about Loglan). Of course, the English is a kind of subject raising mark -- except that it does not adequately warn against quantification. But the fact that x3 is redundant is more or less what led me to suggest that x3 might mean the agent in x1, which we are more apt to want to raise and where the redundancy is less obvious. pc