From lojbab@lojban.org Sat Jan 1 20:39:39 2000 X-Digest-Num: 326 Message-ID: <44114.326.1775.959273825@eGroups.com> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 23:39:39 -0500 From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" Subject: Re: The Coming Rapprochement X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 1775 At 07:58 PM 01/01/2000 -0500, xod wrote: >On Sat, 1 Jan 2000, Bob LeChevalier (lojbab) wrote: > > compatibility with TLI Loglan was very high in priority because we > believed > > rapprochement was inevitable. (I still believe it is inevitable, but > > probably not while JCB is still alive to keep his core > > together. Afterwards, similarity between the language versions will be > >Do you foresee LLG forsaking baseline, or TLI adopting Lojban after >JCB's passing? LLG will not forsake the baseline. That is no longer a consideration. TLI had many chances to negotiate with us when Lojban was still open for change. (Even if I were willing to consider it, the membership voted at a LogFest a few years ago to close this option). I don't see TLI surviving as a meaningful organization unless they reach a rapprochement with us and I'm not sure that is possible - I just think that the TLI supporters will migrate to Lojban due to a vacuum at TLI). On language design issues, that rapprochement will be based on the Lojban design. To put it frankly, I don't think TLI has any leverage to ask for anything else. We have in place things like the alternate orthography, and rudimentary tools for inter-version translation that could be enhanced. for the language users, we have superior teaching materials, a superior book, and a lively community (and your efforts are not hurting in the least, xod). It is still possible if not especially plausible that JCB will devise a way to have someone meaningfully assume his role. He has implied that some legalities are in place or in process. But I don't think there is anyone with the wherewithal and commitment to do the job, because by nature JCB has not tolerated people of that sort anywhere close to 'power' for very long. Most likely, if there is someone who could do the job amongst the TLI supporters, JCB's legal setup will ensure that that person would not be the one who got the job. McIvor has been the person who has kept the technical aspects of the project together at TLI, and done a most excellent job of maintaining the unmaintainable (and I would say that even if he wasn't reading %^). But I don't think he would want the job of "TLI Loglan Central". They have a couple of people who want to use the language, but none have publicly shown organization leadership. The only caveat is that TLI is run on a private mailing list that I have no direct access to. I have checked on occasion with people plugged in who I trust, and I haven't heard of anything to change my point of view. Something could emerge to keep TLI alive. But it would be better for the Loglan project if the TLI version of the language fades away after transition in favor of Lojban. Note that I have no evidence implying JCB's impending passing, though he is 79 years old. Some people including him might think that I would wish for it to happen, but I have never managed to summon up dislike for JCB, much less hatred; I understand too well and I personally liked the man a great deal before the fight. lojbab ---- lojbab ***NOTE NEW ADDRESS*** lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: see Lojban WWW Server: href=" http://xiron.pc.helsinki.fi/lojban/ " Order _The Complete Lojban Language_ - see our Web pages or ask me.