From sentto-44114-1848-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Wed Jan 26 20:02:03 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 1858 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2000 20:02:01 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 26 Jan 2000 20:02:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 29409 invoked by uid 40001); 26 Jan 2000 20:03:15 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 29406 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2000 20:03:14 -0000 Received: from hj.egroups.com (208.48.218.12) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 26 Jan 2000 20:03:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-1848-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.35] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2000 20:03:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 11912 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2000 20:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.10.35 with QMQP; 26 Jan 2000 20:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web3006.mail.yahoo.com) (204.71.202.169) by 10.1.10.26 with SMTP; 26 Jan 2000 20:03:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 25181 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jan 2000 20:03:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20000126200300.25180.qmail@web3006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.15.198.118] by web3006.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:03:00 PST To: lojban@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:03:00 -0800 (PST) From: Joirin Couwe Subject: [lojban] Way to go? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Joirin Couwe I think my mail is probably FAQ, but haven't seen that. I have mixed two different topics, sorry for that. The first is request for guidance how to learn and the second one is need for information about status of electronic resources (and hopefully polite complaints). So could people recommend some (tested:) good ways to learn lojban? 1) What is the material I should dig? I did first bump into http://www.animal.helsinki.fi/lojftp/draft-textbook/lesson02 . I did print it and I have started to study. Then I found ftp://xiron.pc.helsinki.fi/pub/lojban/draft-textbook/lesson02 . I made comparison and found no differences in content, other was just wrapped into HTML and , probably just saved in Microsoft Explorer. In the end I browsed http://www.animal.helsinki.fi/lojban/refgr_f/refgr.html what seems to be a little bit similar to draft-textbook lessons, but not quite the same. What should I read? Or should I by the book at once, and concentrate on it? 2) What is the list I should use? There is still few confusing details, like this mailing list I'm using now compared what http://www.animal.helsinki.fi/lojftp/roadmap.html recommends: "To subscribe, send a message containing 'subscribe lojban Firstname Lastname' to <listserv@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu>. " So what is this lojban@onelist.com for? === Actually, now I was surfing addresses for this mail I did notice something interesting at ftp://xiron.pc.helsinki.fi/pub/lojban/lojban-list/ directory. The FAQ! Being dated 'Dec 7, 1995' I assume it contains quite a few errors, just because time has passed. 3) Is there any plans to "update everything on the net" :)? How about updating, possibly rewriting, www.lojban.org pages and the FAQ? I would like to see it being written for the people starting up the language - veterans know where to surf anyway :). In any case, I would like to see clear separation of outdated material and new, correct material. That could be basic page with same structure as before - page with links like: * Reasonable new and usable stuff * Archives * Reasonable usable little bit older stuff * Archived memories * email lists * word lists * web pages * other archives Now it's very hard to know what's valid now and what I should look when I want to know where have we came? 4) Are LogFests still held? Ps. I have already many questions I have wondered, but I'm saving those until I know I'm not questionating things which are decades old :). ===== - Bug Athlon, new insect processor __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. ZERO. Rates as low as 0 percent Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards Points, no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and get the credit you deserve. Apply now. Get your NextCard Visa at <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative3 ">Click Here</a> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com