From sentto-44114-1863-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Fri Jan 28 08:21:08 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 3883 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2000 08:21:07 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 28 Jan 2000 08:21:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 6139 invoked by uid 40001); 28 Jan 2000 08:22:28 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 6136 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2000 08:22:27 -0000 Received: from hj.egroups.com (208.48.218.12) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 28 Jan 2000 08:22:27 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-1863-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.35] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2000 08:22:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 26341 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2000 08:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.10.35 with QMQP; 28 Jan 2000 08:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out.newmail.net) (192.117.188.36) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2000 08:22:24 -0000 Received: from default ([62.0.162.183]) by out.newmail.net ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:30:35 +02:00 To: lojban@onelist.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <948709173.4463@onelist.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-ID: <94908423601@out.newmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:23:02 +0200 From: araizen@newmail.net Reply-to: araizen@newmail.net Subject: [lojban] Re: Translation needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: araizen@newmail.net la xorxes cusku di'e > > > 4. Besides death, chronic malnutrition also causes impaired > >vision, listlessness, stunted growth, and greatly increased > >susceptibility to disease. > > Severely malnourished people are unable to function at even a > >basic level. > > i vomai > i le nu mrobi'o goi ko'a zo'u le nu ru'i se xladja cu rinka > ko'a e le nu selzu'i viska e le nu ta'irdu'e e le nu seldicra > banro e le nu mutce zenba fa le nu bilma kakne > i lei mutce se xladja prenu na kakne le nu tolpo'u lo sampu ji'a > > Anyone has a better idea for "besides death"? I don't like > mine much. How about "function at even a basic level"? > First of all, I would put "po'onai" after "mrobi'o". You could then put all the results of malnutrition first, i.e. "i le nu mrobi'o po'onai e le nu selzu'i viska e le simsa cu se rinka le nu ru'i se xladja", which slightly changes the order of the original, but makes it so you don't need to assign a "ko'a". In addition, I think that there should be a "pro-sumti" which refers to the sumti in the prenex in a sentence such as this. In my opinion, "ce'u" would probably work, since in most cases its use as an abstraction focus would have the same referrent if both happened to be used at the same time. If people think there may be a conflict, we could always make a new cmavo. Say we use "ce'u"; the sentence would then read something like "i le nu mrobi'o po'onai zo'u le nu ru'i se xladja cu rinka ce'u e le nu selzu'i viska e le simsa" How about "zukte lo sampu ji'a" for "function at even a basic level"? I'm not sure what "unbroken" means. Adam Raizen araizen@newmail.net ------------------- "Oom, Shmoom!" --David Ben-Gurion --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Looking for the lowest refinance rate for your mortgage? GetSmart.com can help. We'll help you find the loan you need - quick, easy, and FREE click Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com