From sentto-44114-1868-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Sat Jan 29 02:50:18 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 4965 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2000 02:50:16 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 29 Jan 2000 02:50:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 8101 invoked by uid 40001); 29 Jan 2000 02:51:44 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 8098 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2000 02:51:43 -0000 Received: from ch.egroups.com (208.48.218.21) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 29 Jan 2000 02:51:43 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-1868-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.37] by ch.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2000 02:51:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 11808 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2000 02:51:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.10.37 with QMQP; 29 Jan 2000 02:51:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy.cais.net) (199.0.216.101) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2000 02:51:36 -0000 Received: from bob ([209.8.89.66]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA10116 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 21:51:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000128213630.00af8800@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 To: lojban@onelist.com In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.2.20000127131048.00abd5f0@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 21:52:37 -0500 From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban news - draft Web page - please comment Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 02:01 PM 01/28/2000 -0500, you wrote: >From: Invent Yourself > >On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Bob LeChevalier-Logical Language Group wrote: > > JL and LK - these will resume publication as soon as the LLG address data > > base is brought up to date, hopefully sometime during the year 2000. > >Can you give us some details about JL 2000? I haven't even thought about it. It is likely however to be of more interest to people who are not Lojban List subscribers, because the point is to bring the rest of the community up to the same level of information. In the past, the type of stuff that has been in JL has been the sort of stuff that appears on Lojban List and the various Web pages (probably more of the latter), but edited for a different audience (and with all the context info added in). Of course, the specific content will depend on the community contributions. If someone wants to write something specifically for JL, then we'll be likely to use it. Otherwise a good deal of the content will be "best of the net". Since we have 6 years since the last JL, there is a lot of stuff to choose the best of. I doubt that I am going to make much effort to do something different or fancy - at this point the priority will be to get back into publication. > How many pages? JL has traditionally been 40-80 pages of 10 point text - enough text to fill a small paperback if printed in book form. > What sort of content? You'll see what we have been doing when the Web pages go up with the last few issues. I'm not creative enough to try for something new right now. >Technically I suggest using Quark, and outputting to print and PDF for a >web version. I'm not going to buy or learn new software to produce it. I'll be using Microsoft Word at first, which I know; I have, but have never learned, Pagemaker if I need anything fancier. JL will be print only since it is paid subscriptions. The policy was that after a year or so, we would put issues on line. The Board may decide to change that, but at this point we have paid subscribers to meet obligations to. Given that I have PDF output capability, I may use that option, but such files take up more space than plain text, and it is not like we have much reason to use graphics. (Nora used to do a cartoon, which was the only graphic content on each issue.) > > LogFlash Language Learning research - lojbab gathers data from all > > Lojbanists willing to use LogFlash on a systematic basis for a few months. > > This data will help prove or disprove the meaningfulness of the > recognition > > scores used to create Lojban gismu, and may lead to publishable general > > research in the field of 2nd language learning. Contact lojbab if > interested. > >What are the criteria? Since I know about 25% gismu already, doesn't that >taint me for study? At this point we aren't picky - the words you already know will show up as mastered quickly. That you learned these words will say something, especially if they do not correlate with the frequency lists. The other words will presumably show something about which words you don't know you are able to learn quickly. At this point, any data is better than no data (I actually have 2 data sets from learners already, but we are playing a statistics game, here, so the more data we have, the less that individual "taints" will mess up the data analysis.) lojbab ---- lojbab ***NOTE NEW ADDRESS*** lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: see Lojban WWW Server: href=" http://xiron.pc.helsinki.fi/lojban/ " Order _The Complete Lojban Language_ - see our Web pages or ask me. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9 percent Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com