From sentto-44114-1877-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Sat Jan 29 20:55:44 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 5882 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2000 20:55:43 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 29 Jan 2000 20:55:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 10068 invoked by uid 40001); 29 Jan 2000 20:57:14 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 10065 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2000 20:57:14 -0000 Received: from hh.egroups.com (208.48.218.10) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 29 Jan 2000 20:57:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-1877-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.39] by hh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2000 20:57:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 30879 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2000 20:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.10.39 with QMQP; 29 Jan 2000 20:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.59) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2000 20:57:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 20292 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jan 2000 20:57:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20000129205709.20291.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.41.247.39 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 12:57:09 PST X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.39] To: lojban@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 12:57:09 PST From: "Jorge Llambias" Subject: RE: [lojban] Re: Subjunctives Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "Jorge Llambias" la and cusku di'e > > va'o le nu mi ponse lo rupnu megdo kei mi ricfu > > Under the conditions where I have a mill., I am rich. > > In every world where I have a mill., I am rich. > >First, don't you need to have {da'i} after {va'o}? Else your sentence is >basically saying that you are rich and you have a >million, where the having a million is the conditions in which you are >rich. Yes, I accept that. I admit that I often just use {va'o} because I take it as if {da'i} was a part of it. I don't think {va'o} without {da'i} is all that useful. >Second, if you do have the {da'i}, you still can't get the "every world" >versus "some world" distinction, which was the point I intended in my >original contribution to this thread. Yes I can! :) I thought about this just after having sent my answers to you and then I forgot to write about it. It would be something like this: va'oda'i lo nu mi ponse lo rupnu megdo kei mi ka'e seljibysti Under some conditions where I have a mill., I can retire. In some world where I have a mill., I can retire. So, {va'o le nu} or {va'o ro lo nu} for "would be" and {va'o lo nu} = {va'o su'o lo nu} for "might be". co'o mi'e xorxes ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Looking for the lowest refinance rate for your mortgage? GetSmart.com can help. We'll help you find the loan you need - quick, easy, and FREE click Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com