From sentto-44114-1998-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Thu Feb 17 15:58:22 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 3526 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2000 15:58:21 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 17 Feb 2000 15:58:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 11537 invoked by uid 40001); 17 Feb 2000 16:01:14 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 11534 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2000 16:01:13 -0000 Received: from hj.egroups.com (208.48.218.12) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 17 Feb 2000 16:01:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-1998-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.37] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2000 16:01:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 29744 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2000 16:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.10.37 with QMQP; 17 Feb 2000 16:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (204.243.9.36) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2000 15:59:09 -0000 Received: from reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@skunk.reutershealth.com [204.243.9.153]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29047; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:00:58 -0500 (EST) Sender: cowan@mail.reutershealth.com Message-ID: <38AC1B02.E53C7907@reutershealth.com> Organization: Reuters Health Information X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en To: A Rosta CC: loglanists@ucsd.edu, logli@ucsd.edu, lojban@onelist.com, a.rosta@pmail.net References: <200002171027.CAA22319@mailbox1.ucsd.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:00:02 -0500 From: John Cowan Subject: Re: [lojban] Dr. James Cooke Brown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: John Cowan A Rosta wrote: > Where there's a will there's a way. Hear, hear. > For starters, the two lexicogrammars > could be discrete subcomponents of a single macrogrammar, so that by > choosing some appropriate lexical indicator at the start of the text > one could indicate whether one were writing Loglan in classical or Lojban > mode. A possible candidate would be the little-word "hoa", which is not currently defined in Loglan (or not in the posted version of L1, anyhow). This would mean "What follows is Lojban". The corresponding Lojban cmavo, "xo'a" (pronounced about the same way) has already been explicitly reserved for experimental use, like all little-words beginning with "x". For those subscribing to this convention, it would mean "What follows is classical Loglan". Nicely, the vowels "oa" appear in "Loglan" and "Lojban". For example: xo'a I cao eo djupo la Lojban! hoa .i .e'osai ko sarji la loglan. (Translation notes: There seems to be no equivalent of "sai" in classical Loglan, so I have used "cao", which is like Lojban "ba'e". The "ko" in the Lojban version means "you" but also marks the sentence as imperative: mere omission of the x1 argument does not make not an imperative in Lojban.) > A stage beyond that would be to define word-for-word equivalences > between the Lojban and classical Loglan lexicons. This will happen: the technical information is in LLG's hands, and the necessary permissions are being sought even as we speak. In some cases, word-for-wordness cannot be readily achieved, because etymologically corresponding gismu/prims have evolved to different place structures. Cleverly created complexes/lujvo could solve this problem. > >From that point on, usage would decide the eventual outcome, given the > tendency of most people to emulate the language of their peers. "Let usage decide": a slogan of the Unified Loglan Project. (By talking about "unified Europe", people made it so. I aim to do the same.) -- Schlingt dreifach einen Kreis vom dies! || John Cowan Schliesst euer Aug vor heiliger Schau, || http://www.reutershealth.com Denn er genoss vom Honig-Tau, || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan Und trank die Milch vom Paradies. -- Coleridge (tr. Politzer) --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Promote Health & Earn Extra Income! Join the Rainbow Light Affiliate Program. Sell leading brands of premium nutritionals. Earn 15 percent commission + 33 percent on commissions of those you refer to us. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com