From sentto-44114-2010-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Fri Feb 18 21:11:03 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 5708 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2000 21:10:57 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 18 Feb 2000 21:10:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 14579 invoked by uid 40001); 18 Feb 2000 21:13:52 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 14516 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2000 21:13:50 -0000 Received: from hm.egroups.com (208.48.218.15) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 18 Feb 2000 21:13:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2010-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.38] by hm.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2000 21:13:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 21813 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2000 21:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.10.38 with QMQP; 18 Feb 2000 21:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smarthost.microsoft.com) (131.107.3.106) by 10.1.10.27 with SMTP; 18 Feb 2000 21:13:41 -0000 Received: from a-ronhe5.apocalypse.org (A-RONHE5 [157.55.233.248]) by smarthost.microsoft.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2651.58) id 1T7FFXA9; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:13:39 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000218131115.00b391e0@apocalypse.org> X-Sender: rwhe@apocalypse.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 To: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" , "Vjacxeslav' Ivanov'" ,"A Rosta" Cc: loglanists@ucsd.edu,logli@ucsd.edu,lojban@onelist.com,a.rosta@pmail.net In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000218133217.00a53b40@127.0.0.1> References: <200002171027.CAA22319@mailbox1.ucsd.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:12:16 -0800 From: Ron Hale-Evans Subject: Re: RE: Re[2]: [lojban] Dr. James Cooke Brown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ron Hale-Evans At 02:23 PM 2/18/00 -0500, you wrote: From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" >Incidentally, the latter discussion points out the one problem with the >"hoa" and "xo'a" introducers of the other language/dialect - while the two >words look different in print, in speech they would likely be heard as the >same word in either version, and thus be ineffective at indicating a change >in dialect. Indeed, in our alternate orthography originally established to >make rapprochement based on Lojban more attractive to the TLI Loglan >community, the alternate orthography form of "xo'a" is exactly "hoa". > >lojbab Why, Bob? Couldn't one treat them as _toggles_ rather than as indicators of a particular language? In other words, whenever you hear hoa/xo'a, you switch to the other dialect. IMHO, this would only be a problem if 1) Your listener did not already know which dialect you were speaking (unlikely), or 2) There were more than two dialects of Loglan/Lojban. Ron H-E -- Ron Hale-Evans: rwhe@apocalypse.org ... Center for Ludic Synergy: Kennexions GBG artgame: Hexagram-8 I Ching Mailing List: Positive Revolution FAQ: --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9 percent Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com