From sentto-44114-1903-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Thu Feb 03 14:17:49 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 12400 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2000 14:17:48 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 3 Feb 2000 14:17:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 23001 invoked by uid 40001); 3 Feb 2000 14:19:39 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 22997 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2000 14:19:38 -0000 Received: from hk.egroups.com (208.48.218.13) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 3 Feb 2000 14:19:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-1903-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.38] by hk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2000 14:19:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 21119 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2000 14:19:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.10.38 with QMQP; 3 Feb 2000 14:19:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp7.atl.mindspring.net) (207.69.128.51) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2000 14:19:25 -0000 Received: from geocities.com (user-2ive2qj.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.11.83]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA31072 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 09:19:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38998E25.199E62B@geocities.com> Organization: love X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: lojban@onelist.com References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 09:18:13 -0500 From: SwiftRain Subject: [lojban] la'o zoi gy. Sapir-Whorf .gy. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: SwiftRain Pycyn@aol.com wrote: > > Whorffian effects are in grammar, not vocabulary. .i mi na tugni fi la'edi'u .i pe'i le mulno bangu cu galfi le menli be le tavla be fo le bangu I think that the method by which a language changes its speakers is very straightforward: a language contains information; to learn the language is to learn that information; learning information changes the way one thinks. In learning lojban one learns that "there is a word guzme, which means a melon or squash." Knowing that may not induce a dramatic change in one's worldview, but it does lead to thoughts that one would not otherwise have. Yesterday I said that I was making a "stasu be lo guzme" (I was making squash soup) & the fact that guzme also means melon lead me to imagine watermelon soup. I opine that this was an instance of "language changing thought" -- granted, it's a rather obvious way of changing thought, but I think it is no less significant due to its lack of obscurity. co'o mi'e bret. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9 percent Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com