From sentto-44114-2027-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Sun Feb 20 02:02:04 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 7545 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2000 02:02:03 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 20 Feb 2000 02:02:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 2482 invoked by uid 40001); 20 Feb 2000 02:05:05 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 2479 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2000 02:05:04 -0000 Received: from c3.egroups.com (208.48.218.20) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 20 Feb 2000 02:05:04 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2027-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.36] by c3.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2000 02:04:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 2679 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2000 21:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.10.36 with QMQP; 19 Feb 2000 21:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy.cais.net) (199.0.216.101) by 10.1.10.27 with SMTP; 19 Feb 2000 21:05:23 -0000 Received: from bob ([209.8.89.179]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08353; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 16:04:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000219155103.00b51550@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 To: "Robert A. McIvor" Cc: loglanists@ucsd.edu, logli@ucsd.edu, lojban@onelist.com In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.2.20000219003139.00b68a80@127.0.0.1> <38ADF9E9.6B21178C@peakpeak.com> <200002171027.CAA22319@mailbox1.ucsd.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 16:05:18 -0500 X-eGroups-From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" Subject: Re: [lojban] Dr. James Cooke Brown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 12:03 PM 02/19/2000 -0500, Robert A. McIvor wrote: > >We added the apostrophe, and the corresponding close-comma for the > >syllable-dividing reasons I stated in another post. > > I thought Loglan has had a syllable dividing close-comma since long >before the split. Lo,is is the example given. The classical language uses it only to override leftwise vowel pairing. Lojban generalized this to force any syllabification including between consonants. The weakness of the close-comma in vowel pairs is that linguistically it introduces a semi-vowel. (Lo,is -> /lowis/). By devoicing the glide and maintaining the airflow to prevent a word-ending glottal stop or pause, which we mark with the apostrophe instead of the close-comma, the glide tends to sound more like an "h" (/lohis/), which is why I teach the two marks together in explaining why Lojban apostrophe is not really "h". lojbab ---- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org (newly updated!) To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com