From sentto-44114-2033-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Sun Feb 20 02:26:57 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 7613 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2000 02:26:57 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 20 Feb 2000 02:26:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 3291 invoked by uid 40001); 20 Feb 2000 02:29:57 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 3288 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2000 02:29:55 -0000 Received: from hh.egroups.com (208.48.218.10) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 20 Feb 2000 02:29:55 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2033-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.37] by hh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2000 02:29:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 21901 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2000 21:18:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.10.37 with QMQP; 19 Feb 2000 21:18:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out.newmail.net) (192.117.188.36) by 10.1.10.27 with SMTP; 19 Feb 2000 21:18:13 -0000 Received: from default ([62.0.162.210]) by out.newmail.net ; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 23:21:18 +02:00 To: lojban@onelist.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20000206001400.42463.qmail@hotmail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-ID: <95103127801@out.newmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 23:19:36 +0200 X-eGroups-From: "Adam Raizen" From: "Adam Raizen" Reply-To: araizen@newmail.net Subject: Re: [lojban] Translation needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "Adam Raizen" la xorxes cusku di'e > la adam cusku di'e > > > > i lei selsabji cu selcmi loi xamgu tsiju e loi mapti tutci > > > e lo nu ka'e cpacu lo djacu i loi cmalu nu xagze'a fa loi > > > cange tadji e loi cidja sorcu tadji cu sidju ji'a > > > > > > >The x2 of cmima is a set, so it should be "le'i selsabji". > > {cmima} is also defined as "x1 belongs to group x2". It goes > against my principles to use sets, since I find that they > don't add anything to what can be done with masses, and > they're likely to be used in places where they should't be. > Is the sentence with {lei selsabji} any less clear than > what it would be with {le'i selsabji}? Is there any possible > difference in meaning? No, it's not any less clear, nor is there a difference in meaning here, though there might be in other circumstances. Would there be *any* circumstance in which you would use sets, or are le'i, lo'i, la'i, ce, etc. just wasted words? co'o mi'e adam Adam Raizen araizen@newmail.net ------------------------------------------------------------- The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. --Robert Heinlein To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com