From sentto-44114-2035-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Sun Feb 20 02:46:44 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 7648 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2000 02:46:43 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 20 Feb 2000 02:46:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 3697 invoked by uid 40001); 20 Feb 2000 02:49:37 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 3694 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2000 02:49:36 -0000 Received: from fk.egroups.com (208.48.218.17) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 20 Feb 2000 02:49:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2035-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.38] by fk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2000 02:49:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 32259 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2000 23:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.10.38 with QMQP; 19 Feb 2000 23:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailhost.pemail2.net) (195.92.25.8) by 10.1.10.27 with SMTP; 19 Feb 2000 23:01:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 26667 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2000 23:01:17 -0000 Received: from m5-mp1-cvx1c.lan.ntl.com (HELO andrew) (62.252.172.5) by mailhost.pemail2.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2000 23:01:17 -0000 To: "Vjacxeslav' Ivanov'" Cc: , , Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 23:02:09 -0000 X-eGroups-From: "And Rosta" From: "And Rosta" Subject: RE: RE: Re[2]: [lojban] Dr. James Cooke Brown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "And Rosta" From: Vjacxeslav' Ivanov' > .. > > choosing some appropriate lexical indicator at the start of the text > > one could indicate whether one were writing Loglan in classical or Lojban > > mode. A stage beyond that would be to define word-for-word equivalences > > between the Lojban and classical Loglan lexicons. > > Can such equivalents be found, if the classical and lojban grammars > have differences, as I understand? The idea is rather interesting. > For example, I can start my speeches by smth. like "Hue Slavik ja > lentaa la Loglan" :)) Or we shall invent a "little word" for this... > Though in Loglan most l-initial little words are already "articles". I had in mind the Little Word route. John Cowan has suggested Loglan "hoa" and Lojban "xo'a". I imagine that it would necessitate a small and manageable grammar change to allow these words at the start of a text. A next stage might be to allow them anywhere in a text, perhaps with a kind of toggling function, so that "xo'a" would toggle from Lojban to classical Loglan, and "hoa" from classical Loglan to Lojban. I'm fairly sure an appropriate word-class must already exist for these words. I suppose it would take more to achieve full equivalence between the grammars, and at this stage I am just hoping for some mechanism that unites us all into working collectively in a common enterprise towards a common goal, rather than working separately in parallel, even if there is goodwill on both sides. The result might be a bit like the Euro, in that when you pay for stuff in cash you pay in francs, guilders, deutschmarks, etc., but these are just local instantiations of the common currency. --And. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Britney? Limp Bizkit? Christina? Who will win the Grammys??????? Guess the winners and you could win a FREE MP3 Player! from AWZ.com! Click Here! http://click.egroups.com/1/1769/1/_/17627/_/951014974/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com