From sentto-44114-2043-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Sun Feb 20 04:37:34 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 7918 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2000 04:37:33 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 20 Feb 2000 04:37:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 6810 invoked by uid 40001); 20 Feb 2000 04:40:36 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 6807 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2000 04:40:34 -0000 Received: from hk.egroups.com (208.48.218.13) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 20 Feb 2000 04:40:34 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2043-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.38] by hk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2000 04:40:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 30951 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2000 02:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.10.38 with QMQP; 20 Feb 2000 02:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailhost.pemail2.net) (195.92.25.8) by 10.1.10.27 with SMTP; 20 Feb 2000 02:19:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 25410 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2000 02:19:31 -0000 Received: from m409-mp1-cvx1c.lan.ntl.com (HELO andrew) (62.252.173.153) by mailhost.pemail2.net with SMTP; 20 Feb 2000 02:19:31 -0000 To: "Rex F. May" Cc: , Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <38AD6E82.ABFC77B@peakpeak.com> Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 02:20:23 -0000 X-eGroups-From: "And Rosta" From: "And Rosta" Subject: RE: [lojban] Dr. James Cooke Brown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "And Rosta" Rex May: > And Rosta wrote: > > > Rex May: > > > Or, maybe better yet, since total relexification seems to > > > be in the cards, redo the vocabulary a la my suggestion > > > of many years ago. To summarize: > > > > Not to say that your suggestions mightn't be improvements, but please > > let me make clear that my suggestion, now with a suggested implementation > > from John Cowan, does NOT put relexification on the cards. Those who > > know me will know that I would LOVE a redesign, but much more important > > than this, the majority of the Loglan community/communities would not, > > and moreover have (at least in the Lojban instance) been solemnly > > promised that there will not be a redesign (except under certain > > exceptional and stringently defined circumstances). I very much expect > > that if reunification of Loglandia were linked to redesign, then it > > would be vetoed in any referendum. > > Yes, I realize that. My thinking is that the two vocabularies are by now > almost completely different, and if things were to get to the point where > a compromise language were to be considered, which _would_ entail > relexification, It wouldn't. At *most*, there would be a kind of extensive allomorphy with the eventual outcome settled by usage. > why not take the opportunity to do away with those > awkward allomorphs, not to mention the rather monotonous > CCVCV/CVCCV's. The great attraction of Loglan for me has always > been the _grammar_. Its word-derivation is a completely different > matter, and can be dispensed with without taking a thing away from > what I consider the true genius of the language. Anyhow, it all goes > back to my article in TL printed, gad, must be 20 years ago. If anybody > is interested and has never seen that article, I'll be glad to elaborate. I agree. If I were redesigning Loglan the morphology would be the first thing I'd change. I too posted (to Lojban list) my idea of how it could best be improved, and, typically, Jorge posted an alternative that I liked even better. But discussing the ideal loglang is a different debate from discussing the future of Loglan. Mixing up issues of 'improving' Loglan with issues of reuniting it will end up stymying (stymieing?) reunification, not improving Loglan. And if even I take this view, then it must surely be right! --And. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click.egroups.com/1/911/1/_/17627/_/951021626/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com