From sentto-44114-2044-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Sun Feb 20 06:22:09 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 8070 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2000 06:22:07 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 20 Feb 2000 06:22:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 11874 invoked by uid 40001); 20 Feb 2000 06:25:11 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 11860 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2000 06:25:10 -0000 Received: from fl.egroups.com (208.48.218.18) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 20 Feb 2000 06:25:10 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2044-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.37] by fl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2000 06:25:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 12543 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2000 06:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Feb 2000 06:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy.cais.net) (199.0.216.101) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2000 06:25:07 -0000 Received: from bob (ppp8.net-A.cais.net [205.252.61.8]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA10376; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 01:24:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000220011533.00b0bf00@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 To: Steven Belknap Cc: loglanists@ucsd.edu, logli@ucsd.edu, lojban@onelist.com In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.2.20000219155103.00b51550@127.0.0.1> <4.2.2.20000219003139.00b68a80@127.0.0.1> <38ADF9E9.6B21178C@peakpeak.com> <200002171027.CAA22319@mailbox1.ucsd.edu> <4.2.2.20000219155103.00b51550@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 01:25:02 -0500 X-eGroups-From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" Subject: Re: [lojban] Dr. James Cooke Brown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 05:12 PM 02/19/2000 -0600, Steven Belknap wrote: > >The weakness of the close-comma in vowel pairs is that > >linguistically it introduces a semi-vowel. (Lo,is -> /lowis/). By > >devoicing the glide and maintaining the airflow to prevent a > >word-ending glottal stop or pause, which we mark with the apostrophe > >instead of the close-comma, the glide tends to sound more like an > >"h" (/lohis/), which is why I teach the two marks together in > >explaining why Lojban apostrophe is not really "h". > > > >lojbab > >But the alternative orthography does equate with <'>, no? No, the orthography designed to backfit to the TLI system uses no separator where TLI currently pronounces a vowel pair as 2 syllables, and a close comma where there is ambiguity between diphthong and disyllable. In other words, we collapse the voicing/devoicing of glides into a single symbol, the close-comma, since the normal use of a close comma in Lojban is not actually significant (i.e. la loi,os. and la lo,ios. are differently syllabified, but are considered the same word just like short and long forms of lujvo are considered the same word. This is because syllabification is sometimes (usually?) an ease of pronunciation preference depending on the native language. mi'e lojbab (lo,jbab = loj,bab) ---- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org (newly updated!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Britney? Limp Bizkit? Christina? Who will win the Grammys??????? Guess the winners and you could win a FREE MP3 Player! from AWZ.com! Click Here! http://click.egroups.com/1/1769/1/_/17627/_/951027909/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com