From sentto-44114-2046-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Sun Feb 20 13:01:39 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 8447 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2000 13:01:38 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 20 Feb 2000 13:01:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 22796 invoked by uid 40001); 20 Feb 2000 13:04:43 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 22793 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2000 13:04:42 -0000 Received: from hh.egroups.com (208.48.218.10) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 20 Feb 2000 13:04:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2046-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.37] by hh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2000 13:04:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 6191 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2000 13:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Feb 2000 13:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO argo.bas.bg) (195.96.224.7) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 20 Feb 2000 13:04:35 -0000 Received: from banmatpc.math.bas.bg (root@banmatpc.math.bas.bg [195.96.243.2]) by argo.bas.bg (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id PAA29251; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 15:03:02 +0200 Received: from iad.math.bas.bg (iad.math.bas.bg [195.96.243.88]) by banmatpc.math.bas.bg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA08743; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 15:02:36 +0200 Message-ID: <38AFE604.3A62@math.bas.bg> Organization: Institute for Mathematics and Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) To: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" CC: "Robert A. McIvor" , Steven Belknap , "Rex F. May" , loglanists@ucsd.edu, logli@ucsd.edu, lojban@onelist.com References: <38AD6E82.ABFC77B@peakpeak.com> <38AD6E82.ABFC77B@peakpeak.com> <4.2.2.20000218170213.00a6bdf0@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 15:03:00 +0200 X-eGroups-From: Ivan A Derzhanski From: Ivan A Derzhanski Reply-To: iad@math.bas.bg Subject: Evidentials (Re: [lojban] Dr. James Cooke Brown) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ivan A Derzhanski Bob LeChevalier (lojbab) wrote: > At 03:41 PM 02/18/2000 -0500, Robert A. McIvor wrote: > >I am unaware of inconsistencies in the grammar. Whether or not it is > >complete is a matter of definition. I imagine there are structures > >in other languages that have no counterpart in either Loglan or Lojban. > >e.g. the Turkish 'gossip' tense that has been recently discussed. > > Lojban has evidentials, after the manner > of [...] and Native American languages. [...] > Perhaps Robin Turner, our resident Turkish expert can comment. And so can Ivan Derzhanski, being a native speaker of a language (Bulgarian) whose system of renarrated forms is thought to have been calqued from Turkish. Yes, the Lojban evidentials are fully able to do the job of the Turkish or Bulgarian renarrated forms, and much more besides. There've got to be structures in other languages that have no counterparts in Lojban, but that is not one of them. -- <'al-_haylu wa-al-laylu wa-al-baydA'u ta`rifunI wa-as-sayfu wa-ar-rum.hu wa-al-qir.tAsu wa-al-qalamu> (Abu t-Tayyib Ahmad Ibn Hussayn al-Mutanabbi) Ivan A Derzhanski H: cplx Iztok bl 91, 1113 Sofia, Bulgaria W: Dept for Math Lx, Inst for Maths & CompSci, Bulg Acad of Sciences ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa! Rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards Points, no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and get the credit youdeserve! Apply now! Get your NextCard Visa at: http://click.egroups.com/1/912/1/_/17627/_/951051878/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com