From sentto-44114-2057-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Tue Feb 22 16:13:55 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 12372 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2000 16:13:54 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 22 Feb 2000 16:13:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 3171 invoked by uid 40001); 22 Feb 2000 16:17:08 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 3168 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2000 16:17:07 -0000 Received: from hk.egroups.com (208.48.218.13) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 22 Feb 2000 16:17:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2057-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.35] by hk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2000 16:17:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 10135 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2000 16:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 22 Feb 2000 16:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (204.243.9.36) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 22 Feb 2000 16:16:59 -0000 Received: from reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@skunk.reutershealth.com [204.243.9.153]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17351; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:16:45 -0500 (EST) Sender: cowan@mail.reutershealth.com Message-ID: <38B2B688.99C4F818@reutershealth.com> Organization: Reuters Health Information X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en To: Emerson Mitchell CC: loglanists@ucsd.edu, logli@ucsd.edu, lojban@onelist.com References: <200002201935_MC2-99F2-DD0D@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:17:12 -0500 X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan Subject: Re: [lojban] Dr. James Cooke Brown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: John Cowan Emerson Mitchell wrote: > Here's another friendly suggestion: each side should check the other sides > dictionary for words that could be incorporated unchanged without damage to > the respective grammers. Not sure what this would mean. In prim/gismu space, there are definitely both soft collisions like "blanu" (Loglan: x1 is bluer than x2; Lojban: x1 is blue) and "barda" (Loglan: x1 rewards x2 for action x3 with reward x4; Lojban: x1 is large in dimension x2 by standard x3). But even if we eliminate these, what is the point of having both Loglan "nirda" and Lojban "cipni" for "bird", particularly with the minute difference that the x2 of "cipni" specifies the species of bird, whereas "nirda" lacks x2? As for LWs/cmavo, the Lojban cmavo space is larger than the Loglan one and is essentially full: there are 25 x 18 possible Loglan LWs, but there are 30 x 18 + 11 possible Lojban cmavo. There is a large experimental cmavo space in Lojban that Loglan doesn't allow for, essentially LWs like "laoa" (Lojban "la'o'a"). > My first thought was that each language could start by making the name for > the other an accepted primitive. Names as such aren't really prims/gismu: the gismu "lojbo" means "pertaining to Loglan/Lojban/logical languages", and doesn't *name* anything. Luckily, both names are legal in both languages, although "loglan." was for a long time not a legal Lojban name, because of the embedded "la". -- Schlingt dreifach einen Kreis vom dies! || John Cowan Schliesst euer Aug vor heiliger Schau, || http://www.reutershealth.com Denn er genoss vom Honig-Tau, || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan Und trank die Milch vom Paradies. -- Coleridge (tr. Politzer) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ For the fastest, easiest way to backup files and access them from anywhere. Try @backup Free for 30 days. Click here for a chance to win a digital camera. http://click.egroups.com/1/1783/1/_/17627/_/951236221/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com