From sentto-44114-2059-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Wed Feb 23 16:42:25 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 14037 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2000 16:42:23 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 23 Feb 2000 16:42:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 17754 invoked by uid 40001); 23 Feb 2000 16:45:40 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 17751 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2000 16:45:39 -0000 Received: from hm.egroups.com (208.48.218.15) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 23 Feb 2000 16:45:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2059-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.38] by hm.egroups.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2000 16:44:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 13679 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2000 16:44:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 23 Feb 2000 16:44:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bach.math.ucla.edu) (128.97.4.246) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 23 Feb 2000 16:44:46 -0000 Received: from simba.math.ucla.edu (root@simba.math.ucla.edu [128.97.4.125]) by bach.math.ucla.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA07527; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:44:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jimc@localhost) by simba.math.ucla.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00335; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:45:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: simba.math.ucla.edu: jimc owned process doing -bs To: "Robert A. McIvor" cc: Steven Belknap , "Rex F. May" , loglanists@ucsd.edu, logli@ucsd.edu, lojban@onelist.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:45:01 -0800 (PST) X-eGroups-From: "James F. Carter" From: "James F. Carter" Subject: Re: baselining (was: [lojban] Dr. James Cooke Brown) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "James F. Carter" On Fri, 18 Feb 2000, Robert A. McIvor wrote: > From: "Robert A. McIvor" > > At 11:53 AM -0600 2/18/00, Steven Belknap wrote: > >From: Steven Belknap > >textbook. It is important to understand that Loglan was *never* > >baselined. > > > It was never intended that Loglan be baselined. Living > languages > change and grow constantly. In a natural language drift is slowed down by old fogies (like us) who rant at the teenagers for their outre' modes of speech. In a constructed language there isn't any dead weight of conservatism and so there's always the temptation to tinker. Lojban's baseline commitment is valuable as an aid to recruiting, because beginners won't worry that all their efforts will be revised to the trash can. It also makes the community live with the language as it *is*, warts and all, and really get a feel for what does (and doesn't) need to be changed. I think that Loglan is also pretty stable de facto (even if not de jure). In Lojban I expect few major changes when the baseline period expires. The area that I think most needs to be addressed is the place structures of primitive predicates, so automatic construction of compound words will go more smoothly. (This is a very nice Lojban feature.) James F. Carter Voice 310 825 2897 FAX 310 206 6673 UCLA-Mathnet; 6115 MSA; 405 Hilgard Ave.; Los Angeles, CA, USA 90095-1555 Internet: jimc@math.ucla.edu (finger for PGP key) UUCP:...!{ucsd,ames,ncar,gatech,purdue,rutgers,decvax,uunet}!math.ucla.edu!jimc ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa! Rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards Points, no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and get the credit you deserve! Apply now! Get your NextCard Visa at: http://click.egroups.com/1/913/1/_/17627/_/951324286/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com