From sentto-44114-2084-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Sun Feb 27 06:52:58 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 20290 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2000 06:52:53 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 27 Feb 2000 06:52:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 10849 invoked by uid 40001); 27 Feb 2000 06:56:22 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 10846 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2000 06:56:21 -0000 Received: from ch.egroups.com (208.48.218.21) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 27 Feb 2000 06:56:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2084-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.35] by ch.egroups.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2000 06:56:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 6730 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2000 06:56:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 27 Feb 2000 06:56:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy.cais.net) (199.0.216.101) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 27 Feb 2000 06:56:15 -0000 Received: from bob (dynamic39.cais.com [207.226.56.39]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA00749 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 01:55:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000227014828.00b37bd0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 To: lojban@onelist.com In-Reply-To: <95163626601@out.newmail.net> References: <4.2.2.20000224013258.00b2b890@127.0.0.1> <50.1f31c78.25e61b06@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 01:55:43 -0500 X-eGroups-From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" Subject: Re: [lojban] (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 11:22 PM 02/26/2000 +0200, Adam Raizen wrote: >la lojban cusku di'e > > At 12:26 AM 02/24/2000 -0500, BestATN@aol.com wrote: > > >How do you say in Lojban "I miss you" as a man might say to his wife when > > >she's in hospital and he has to work? > > > > This sounds more attitudinal than anything one would claim with a > predicate > > sentence. > >Anything you can say with an attitudinal can be made into a >predicate claim. Sometimes it might be a little clumsy, but it still >works. Yes, but an attitudinal expresses emotion, whereas a predicate claim merely claims it. A man named John asserting predicatively that "I miss you" is expressing the identical semantics of a computer saying "la djan [misses] do. In other words there literally is no emotive content there. It is a claim, which may be true or it may be false. While no doubt people will manage to fake emotions in Lojban, the attitudinal is still such an expression and is beyond truth or falsehood - it is a speech act that actually conveys what it expresses while expressing it. >This is one of the most interesting parts of Lojban, in my opinion, >making up neat new words to enrich the language. The idea is to >have the lujvo define themselves, and make up more words for the >same idea, each with different connotations different from similar >English words. I would happy to see a lot more of this especially with people bothering to work out place structures as you did. But this does not replace the essential non-logical purity of emotional expression. lojbab ---- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org (newly updated!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Shop the web for great deals. Save on Computers, electronics, Home furnishings and more. http://click.egroups.com/1/1559/1/_/17627/_/951634575/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com