From sentto-44114-2092-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Tue Feb 29 14:38:22 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 23871 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2000 14:38:21 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 29 Feb 2000 14:38:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 22943 invoked by uid 40001); 29 Feb 2000 14:42:05 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 22940 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2000 14:42:04 -0000 Received: from hh.egroups.com (208.48.218.10) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 29 Feb 2000 14:42:04 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2092-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.35] by hh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2000 14:42:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 2145 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2000 14:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Feb 2000 14:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (204.243.9.36) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2000 14:42:02 -0000 Received: from reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@skunk.reutershealth.com [204.243.9.153]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03034 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:42:00 -0500 (EST) Sender: cowan@mail.reutershealth.com Message-ID: <38BBDAC5.E500CFD1@reutershealth.com> Organization: Reuters Health Information X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en To: "lojban@onelist.com" References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:42:13 -0500 X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan Subject: Re: [lojban] Use and abuse of sets Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: John Cowan reciproc@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote: > le'i ratci barda > "The set of rats is large" > "There are many rats" > Which is much more simply and clearly expressed "so'i ratci" or something > similar. That's not a sentence: it says "many rats". But here's another example: mi ralju le'i fenki I am-the-chief-of a-specific-set-of crazy-ones. I am the bull goose loony [from _One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest_] Having a "chief member" is a set property. > However, there should be a gismu for mathematical set, since this > *is* a logical language after all -- we shouldn't be forced to use lujvo. "klesi" is the gismu for "set", because classes and sets are the same concept, except for certain exceptions among the transfinite classes. -- Schlingt dreifach einen Kreis vom dies! || John Cowan Schliesst euer Aug vor heiliger Schau, || http://www.reutershealth.com Denn er genoss vom Honig-Tau, || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan Und trank die Milch vom Paradies. -- Coleridge (tr. Politzer) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa! ZERO! Rates as low as 0.0% Intro APR, online balance transfers, Rewards Points, no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and get the credit you deserve! Apply now! Get your NextCard Visa at: http://click.egroups.com/1/966/1/_/17627/_/951835323/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com