From sentto-44114-2093-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Tue Feb 29 15:32:57 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 23923 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2000 15:32:56 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 29 Feb 2000 15:32:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 24446 invoked by uid 40001); 29 Feb 2000 15:36:40 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 24443 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2000 15:36:40 -0000 Received: from hm.egroups.com (208.48.218.15) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 29 Feb 2000 15:36:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-2093-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.38] by hm.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Feb 2000 15:36:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 23381 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2000 15:36:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Feb 2000 15:36:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.46) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2000 15:36:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 90876 invoked by uid 0); 29 Feb 2000 15:36:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20000229153637.90875.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.41.247.49 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 07:36:37 PST X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.49] To: lojban@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@onelist.com; contact lojban-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 07:36:37 PST X-eGroups-From: "Jorge Llambias" From: "Jorge Llambias" Subject: Re: [lojban] Use and abuse of sets Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "Jorge Llambias" la xarmuj cusku di'e >I agree wholeheartedly with la xorxes. The only actual example I have seen >of the set cmavo which is even vaguely useful is > le'i ratci barda > "The set of rats is large" > "There are many rats" >Which is much more simply and clearly expressed "so'i ratci" or something >similar. {so'i ratcu cu zasti} or else something like {lei ratcu cu so'imei} or {piro loi ratcu cu so'imei} >However, there should be a gismu for mathematical set, since this >*is* a logical language after all -- we shouldn't be forced to use lujvo. In a mathematical context you can use {se cmima} or {klesi} for mathematical sets. I don't think that being a logical language requires it to have gismu for all logical technical terms. It is a logical language because you can use it to speak logically, not because you can use it to speak easily about Logic! >An interesting thought: Since in Lojban, masses are >considered units, wouldn't the appropriate term for >a mass be {sezda'i}? Masses are units as much as sets are units. They both also happen to have members. And {simxu} is about the members of x1, be it a set or a mass. {sevzi} is not about the members of its x1. co'o mi'e xorxes ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Why wait for a credit decision? Get one instantly! Apply for the Capital One 9.9% Fixed APR Visa Platinum! http://click.egroups.com/1/1895/1/_/17627/_/951838598/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com